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furiousmilksheikali ELT General

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Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 6:24 am Post subject: Re: repeat |
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| thelmadatter wrote: | If you repeat something often enough and loudly enough, it becomes true?
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No. I am just genuinely astonished that Palin is somehow touted as a real presidential candidate. I can imagine that boundforsaudi is simply trolling and taking the most outrageous position just to wind people up but you actually seem to take Palin seriously.
Is it really that unclear that she's simply a marketing gimmick and nothing more. In every interview she's ever given it's obvious that she's been coached to say what she does and hasn't actually formed any of the opinions for herself. Much of what she says is astonishingly incoherent. She makes George W. Bush look like Isaiah Berlin.
It's my personal theory that there has been some kind of backroom Pygmalion-style bet in whatever is the Republican equivalent of a gentleman's club. One of these Republican equivalents of a gentleman has said to another that he'll bet all his stock in BP that he can take the lowliest most unprepossessing and parochial politician in the whole of the Union and turn her into a presidential candidate. I find all other possibilities (i.e that she was ever taken seriously) too horrible to imagine.
And what is with this new narrative that she is being hounded and torn apart by those beastly lefto-pinko-libero-fascists of the Atlantic and "BSNBC". Is this supposed to inspire confidence in her candidacy, that she would be fine if the papers and commentators weren't being so mean to her?
How did the Republican right get so caught up in the type of self-pitying whining that the Democrats used to be so famous for? Do you really think Margeret Thatcher could have become prime minister complaining about how howwible evewyone's being? Of course not! She'd have been a laughing stock. The fact is that whether people liked her not she was always respected and it wasn't respect that was simply granted to her, she earned it. If Palin and her fans believe she is deserved respect without having to earn it, without having to know anything about foreign policy, without having to know the name of a serious news publication, without having to know the name of any supreme court rulings, without having to take responsibility for her own policy decisions in Alaska or how they conflicted with the policies of her running mate then she's already dead in the water and doesn't need to be treated as a serious politician. |
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geaaronson Captain
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Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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Amen. _________________ Geoffrey Ellis Aronson |
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geaaronson Captain
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Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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She is tapping into a feeling of neglect that many Americans are experiencing at the moment. These are the average, silent Majority of Richard Nixonīs era, in a resurging moment of American history. There is so much emphasis in our culture on education, achievement, financial success and intelligence, that we are experiencing the revenge of the forgotten American.
These are those who struggled to get through high school, struggled even more to get through junior college if at that, have non-professional skills and nothing more. They are Bible-toting and Gospel adherents. The born again Christians among them may have at one time been swept away by the Ļdo your own thingĻ bohemian/hippie mentality and destroyed marriages, health or finances, and now have turned to God and his Truth to uphold upright lives, free from overindulgence.
I believe this is the issue Obama himself tried to address so unsuccessfully when he spoke of those in the rurals who had their religion and their guns. These are limited people with little understanding or approval of the social changes that have occurred in American society.
They are scorned by the elite, looked down upon by the intelligentsia, and, yes, they resent it. These are the people who Sarah Palin is appealing to. The stay at home Soccer mom, the father who rides with a shotgun in his pickup, granny whose religious faith is of utmost importance in her life, gramps who put his life down on the line in īNam. _________________ Geoffrey Ellis Aronson |
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Jerry ELT General

Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Posts: 608 Location: Saigon, Vn
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Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like she's got what it takes......... and I'm not being sarcastic:
| Quote: | | These are the people who Sarah Palin is appealing to. The stay at home Soccer mom, the father who rides with a shotgun in his pickup, granny whose religious faith is of utmost importance in her life, gramps who put his life down on the line in īNam. |
Have Americans ever voted otherwise?
Let's face it the Iranians used supidity to it's fullest when they kicked out the Shah, and the west has locked onto this winning formula: go for the w**ker vote!
Glasgow's the same before anyone says I'm throwing stones. |
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geaaronson Captain
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Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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Being President is more than just appealing to some of the people. Why otherwise we would have Mickey Mouse for a president. _________________ Geoffrey Ellis Aronson |
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thelmadatter ELT General
Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 982 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 3:05 pm Post subject: tongue |
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| *biting tongue* |
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geaaronson Captain
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Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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We could say the same about Bush, Thelmadatter. I can read your thoughts. _________________ Geoffrey Ellis Aronson |
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Englishexpertgibson Captain
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:45 am Post subject: |
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so, the oil spilled for the president. or, is it for the ocean floor and rains? where do you think the oil has gone? spending so much money on the clean-up and picking up only bits of it..2% of all the messy oil and billions of dollars spent
now, how is this tragedy going to hit the shareholders??? and, are the ones that've approved the project going to be held responsible???
a new BP boss that speaks "american" is supposed to clean up the mess. but, yes, you are right that this is about the american elections and who the president is. a female mickey mouse is the only hope for any future oil spills in this fine country.
cheers and oil to the golf ocean floor and rains  |
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geaaronson Captain
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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The oil spill occurred back in April. They did not start recovering the oil immediately. Weīre talking what, 2 months of cleanup. The more effective cleanup ships were deployed late. Donīt be so pessimistic. Rome was not built in a day.
I hope you are not suggesting they stop the cleanup as you seem to suggest its futility. _________________ Geoffrey Ellis Aronson |
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thelmadatter ELT General
Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 982 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:17 pm Post subject: oil |
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latest news reports state that there is little to no oil on the surface of the Gulf now. Im cautiously optimistic but there are two questions. Is there oil under the surface? We will probably know the answer to that soon. If not? what happened to the oil?
BTW, you know that 20 billion that Obama shook BP down for? Turns out they can write half of that off their US taxes. So guess who is really paying for that half? BP played their hand well.... |
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geaaronson Captain
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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If that report is correct, then we are in deep oil doodoo. If itīs not on the surface, then itīs down below the hold and thatīs extremely bad for the ecosystem of the gulf.
Whenever a company loses money it can use its losses as a tax deduction. Itīs part of the IRS code. So if BP gets away with deducting half, let them have it. That company is not going to last for much longer anyway by the time the lawyers are through with it. Letīs see if they get to keep anything intact in five years time.
Yes, he shook them down. Thatīs the plan fact of the matter. He probably made a deal that he knows he will not be allowed to keep as he is savvy enough to know that there are enough people on the left and right who would love nothing more to put a knife through BPīs oil drum and let it bleed until the death. And he did get them to set aside 20 billion for reparations. _________________ Geoffrey Ellis Aronson |
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Englishexpertgibson Captain
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:49 am Post subject: |
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| geaaronson wrote: | The oil spill occurred back in April. They did not start recovering the oil immediately. Weīre talking what, 2 months of cleanup. The more effective cleanup ships were deployed late. Donīt be so pessimistic. Rome was not built in a day.
I hope you are not suggesting they stop the cleanup as you seem to suggest its futility. | rome was not built on oil. according to some scientists. any clean up would have only recovered 1 to 2 % of the unfortunate oil and i think that that's the point here...not the pessimism
cheers and oil  |
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