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mishmumkin Captain
Joined: 09 Sep 2007 Posts: 118
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject: For those who do the hiring... |
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If I've done my research correctly I should know a great deal about my potential employer before the interview. I'm curious what those who do the hiring wish their candidates asked about. Thoughts? _________________ Avatars |
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MELEE ELT General

Joined: 26 Sep 2007 Posts: 931 Location: 17°48'N 97°46'W
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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Mostly I'm just listening to see what they ask me. That will tell me what's important to them. (the students, the curriculum, resources, housing, benefits, vacation time...)
I do the interviews individually, but then report back to a pannel--that conversation always includes letting the others know what questions were asked by the candidate. _________________ I'm MELEE and I approve this message. |
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Justin Trullinger ELT General

Joined: 21 Sep 2007 Posts: 612
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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Hard question-
I do the hiring at the organisation where I work. It's not that I have a list of questions I want you to ask, because I don't know what's important to you. But I feel very strongly that you SHOULD ask about whatever is. Some of the worst problems I've had with teachers have had to do with things that were important to them that they didn't find out about beforehand, or didn't ask for more details. Some examples:
Teachers placed in elementary schools through us wear uniforms. They are told about this before hiring, and asked if they are okay with it. Depending on the school, these uniforms vary- some are very smart suit looking things, but some, especially at lower income schools, are sweatsuits with school logos. One teacher, very appearance conscious, was so horrified by wearing a sweatsuit that she was unable to continue, and we had to negotiate special permission for her to wear her own clothes. This made all the parents think she was the principal. It was a mess. Personally, I don't care what I wear, and would love to have a uniform, any uniform, that meant I wouldn't have to shop for clothes, or try to figure out what color tie goes with things...but to her, it was an issue. She should have asked.
Costs of living: Some things are very cheap in Ecuador. Some are more expensive. COmputers are first world prices or higher. Having read online that the cost of living in Ecuador is low (in terms of rent and food, it is) one teacher decided rather than bringing a computer, to buy one here. But here, lap tops are high end luxury without much selection. He should have asked.
Housing: We don't provide housing- but many of our teachers share apartments with each other, which is clearly stated in our pre-interview literature. This is because Ecuadorian apartments are mostly large family or multifamily units, and it would be hard to afford one on your own. A teacher who doesn't like to shared simply assumed that he could find his own, and anticipated finding an apartment for the same cost as a room in a shared unit. Not a chance. The he complains that it's hard to make ends meet...should have asked.
Teaching conditions- Our teachers are expected to use text books, but not to spend the whole course using only textbooks. They also have to be creative and come up with their own supplementary activities and materials. Payment for this is included in their hourly rate- they are not paid for extra hours for doing it. This is standard enough that I didn't make an issue of it, though again, it says in the package that "teaching hours are paid for at $X per hour, and that this rate includes preparation..." Again, if this is a problem, ask, let's talk beforehand. Likewise, if you have any financial obligations outside of the country, like student loan payments, it would be good to ask about how feasible that is...
It isn't a question of what you should ask- but ask everything that YOU need to know. I may not know what's important to you, but it's important that you ask about what you need to know. Do not assume! Whatever you need to know in order to make an adequate decision, you'll need to ask.
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Justin _________________ The time is now.
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mishmumkin Captain
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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Great feedback from both of you! Thanks! _________________ Avatars |
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Henry_Cowell Superstar

Joined: 14 Sep 2007 Posts: 2421 Location: Berkeley
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Justin... I guess I really should have asked! |
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Emma Captain

Joined: 03 Jan 2008 Posts: 487 Location: Devon, UK
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| I've found in interviews that the interviewer has told me so much information about the school and teaching methods that I really can't think of anything when asked if I have questions. To ask about obvious stuff like salary when i haven't been offered a job seems presumptuous. How do you feel about teachers coming back and asking questions before accepting the post? |
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MELEE ELT General

Joined: 26 Sep 2007 Posts: 931 Location: 17°48'N 97°46'W
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Emma wrote: | | How do you feel about teachers coming back and asking questions before accepting the post? |
I think it's great. I'd rather teachers ask only 2 or 3 of the most important questions in the interview, but that's because we interview over the phone and I'm under pressure to try to keep the calls around 30 minutes. I welcome additional questions by email, no matter how many. The sooner the better. Cause really I'm using those questions to decide whether or not I'm going to make you an offer. If I make the offer, then you hit me with questions that lead me to believe that this is not the best position for you, then you've wasted my time because I need to give you adequate time before I offer it to someone else rather than you. _________________ I'm MELEE and I approve this message. |
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Gordon Superstar

Joined: 16 Sep 2007 Posts: 1019 Location: Raincouver, Canada
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:58 am Post subject: |
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I also think that prospective applicants should not ask about salary until they are offered the job. On the other hand, applicants should have a pretty good idea of the salary at this point anyways. I won't apply for a job unless I have a decent idea of the salary range, in many cases it would be a waste of everyone's time. i hate it when jobs don't give the salary in the ad or at least the salary range. _________________ www.englishabroad.ca - Teach English Abroad - An introduction for new teachers on teaching English overseas. Includes profiles of Asian countries and a list of distance master degrees in TESOL and Applied Linguistics. |
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lozwich Captain

Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 410 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:51 am Post subject: |
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| Emma wrote: | | I've found in interviews that the interviewer has told me so much information about the school and teaching methods that I really can't think of anything when asked if I have questions. |
Before an interview, I write a list of things (housing, resources, etc) that I want answered before deciding to take a job. Then, during the interview I take copious notes, and if the interview hasn't answered my questions, I ask them at the question time. Although, just thinking about it now, I haven't had a face to face interview for years now, so its easy to have my little list and notebook. Not sure how that would go down in a face to face interview. |
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Sherri ELT General
Joined: 03 Oct 2007 Posts: 602 Location: Big Island, Hawaii
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:06 am Post subject: |
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I don't see why the salary should be such a big secret. I always tell the applicants what they can expect to make. I usually tell them over the phone before we schedule the interview. There is a pay scale so it is easy to figure out. All teachers have a copy of the pay scale once hired.
If it looks like the interview is going well, I tell them how often they will be paid and when they can expect their first pay check. This is especially important for people who are relocating for a job.
I want the applicant to ask questions but I wouldn't not hire someone simply because they did not ask any questions, though now that I am thinking about it, the people I have hired in the recent past all asked questions.
The interview is a 2-way street. The applicant also has to decide if he or she wants to work with us. They should be prepared to ask questions just as I am. Just as Justin said, think about what you want to know and what is important to you and ask away.
I must admit though, I like it when people ask about the students. I like it when they ask about the work atmosphere, but how the teachers work together, if they share and support each other. I like it if they show an interest in our program and show that they at least looked at our website.
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David Site Admin

Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 2457 Location: Turkey
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| Gordon wrote: | | I also think that prospective applicants should not ask about salary until they are offered the job. On the other hand, applicants should have a pretty good idea of the salary at this point anyways. I won't apply for a job unless I have a decent idea of the salary range, in many cases it would be a waste of everyone's time. I hate it when jobs don't give the salary in the ad or at least the salary range. |
I think it's appropriate for the interviewee to raise the issue, such as, 'I'm sure once you've made your decision about hiring me, we can talk in more detail about the salary and benefits package you offer.' This lets the interviewer know that while this isn't your only motivation for wanting the job, it is something that thay expect to be in formed about in detail at some point. |
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Gordon Superstar

Joined: 16 Sep 2007 Posts: 1019 Location: Raincouver, Canada
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| David wrote: | | Gordon wrote: | | I also think that prospective applicants should not ask about salary until they are offered the job. On the other hand, applicants should have a pretty good idea of the salary at this point anyways. I won't apply for a job unless I have a decent idea of the salary range, in many cases it would be a waste of everyone's time. I hate it when jobs don't give the salary in the ad or at least the salary range. |
I think it's appropriate for the interviewee to raise the issue, such as, 'I'm sure once you've made your decision about hiring me, we can talk in more detail about the salary and benefits package you offer.' This lets the interviewer know that while this isn't your only motivation for wanting the job, it is something that thay expect to be in formed about in detail at some point. |
I guess it depends how the interview is going. I think one doesn't want to appear as though money is the most important factor in the job decision, whereas we all know that it is.  _________________ www.englishabroad.ca - Teach English Abroad - An introduction for new teachers on teaching English overseas. Includes profiles of Asian countries and a list of distance master degrees in TESOL and Applied Linguistics. |
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